What was your reaction like to the whole Mandarin twist/reveal in Iron Man 3
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Significant_Silver992025-10-11 00:16
I thought it was disappointing and they almost had the chance to have their own Heath Ledger's Joker type villain
Infinite_Parking_8002025-10-11 00:20
True I remembered watching the trailer for Iron Man 3 years ago and Ben Kingsley looked so convincing as the Mandarin especially his speech scenes in the movie made us believe he is rocking it, Only to when it came to this scene.
tymelodies2025-10-11 00:28
It's Sir Ben Kingsley to you!
VannesGreave2025-10-11 00:18
I don’t dislike the twist, it’s actually kind of clever, but I really dislike that the villain was Killian. He’s so boring. The original idea of it being Maya Hansen was way better.
Infinite_Parking_8002025-10-11 00:31
Wait really? That would've been interesting.
VannesGreave2025-10-11 02:07
Yup. Marvel higher-ups (read: Perlmutter) [vetoed Hansen as the villain because they didn't think a female villain would sell enough toys](https://uproxx.com/movies/shane-black-the-nice-guys-iron-man-3).
It's the same reason we didn't get a Black Widow movie until after she died, and why Black Panther faced so much internal pushback.
GreasyStool882025-10-11 02:19
Ah yes, because of the high insatiable global demand for Killian Funko Pops.
VonDingwell2025-10-11 02:20
The more you read up on Perlmutter, the more you realize that truly powerful bad people can get away with anything.
alexmaiden20002025-10-11 04:31
Ever since I recently learned about how Vince McMahon from WWE used to force his employees to agree to shit like "If I say the sky is green, then the sky is green!", that's how I imagine most of these dickwad Boomer execs behave.
capeasypants2025-10-11 05:10
Yeah they're pretty much all just like that, but more evil.
VonDingwell2025-10-11 05:20
A lot lot lot more evil.
Bruhimonlyeleven2025-10-11 02:22
Yeah because Killian toys flew off the shelves.
Ya know what doesn't sell any toys? Shitty movies.
CaptHayfever2025-10-11 05:35
Heck, they barely even *made* any Kilian toys.
Bruhimonlyeleven2025-10-11 16:39
"let's ruin a story so we can sell toys... But we won't make any "
Did they think a girl villian would stop them from selling iron man toys?
SamVanDam6112025-10-11 00:34
Yup, Ike was a bigoted moron
spidervenom6192025-10-11 00:37
To quote my Brother obligatory Fuck you Perlimutter.
ItzRaphZ2025-10-11 01:03
Maya Hansen being the real villain would fix almost every problem I have with the movie, amazing.
shadowlarx2025-10-11 07:08
She actually was the main villain in the Extremis arc in the comics and Killian was some nobody who shot himself off panel in his only scene. I found it very confusing that they made Killian such a big deal in the movie.
rocketmanx2025-10-11 01:48
This 100%
throwaway7983192025-10-11 02:09
The consistent thread of the Iron Man movies is Tony vs a rich white guy. Obadiah, Justin Hammer, Killian. They set horrors in motion and try to avoid responsibility, which is why they're a foil for Tony who set horrors in motion and is trying his best to fix it
CaptHayfever2025-10-11 05:36
Specifically, it's Tony vs *another weapon manufacturer*. As the inventor of Extremis, Maya could've filled that role.
OkMention99882025-10-11 07:00
'White guy' tends to be most Marvel villains.
TufnelAndI2025-10-11 09:12
To be fair, they've also tried purple, blue and red.
jaid_skywalker852025-10-11 02:20
It would have been great to have Maya as the villian! I'm so mad they changed it.
RaynSideways2025-10-11 02:30
This is really it for me. I could have swallowed the whole bait and switch, if the real villain was interesting at all. I just didn't find Killian a compelling villain. Weird guy with a chip on his shoulder who is a total creep to Pepper and has an overpowered brute force power set. He didn't come off as threatening, just... stunted.
I *liked* the Mandarin they were setting up in the first half. I thought he was super charismatic and oddly grounded in ways that harkened back to the first film. I was looking forward to Tony finding a way to defeat a foe who didn't rely on brute strength or superpowers, yet still held his own. It was honestly a letdown when it was revealed to be totally fake.
Phatang2025-10-11 02:40
Agreed, it was kinda a good flip to be honest. But yeah. You don’t cast Guy Pearce and not use him, so it was a half-arsed villain reveal too as well as boring
Substantial_War_64152025-10-11 20:13
I like the casting observation… and at the same time Ben Kingsley!
therightwaye2025-10-11 04:09
Consider how interesting that could have really been. What if Maya had complete control of Killian through nano bots. She would be the opposite of Iron Man. Machine inside the human suit!
Zar-Djoser-00112025-10-11 00:20
😐
But after Shang-Chi, I’m kinda glad they didn’t went for a “real” Mandarin back then. Wenwu is the goat and to me, the definitive version of the character.
Infinite_Parking_8002025-10-11 00:21
YES I was happy that they resolved it But just wish Tony would've faced him.
Good_old_Marshmallow2025-10-11 01:14
An Iron Man four after civil war vs his Mandrin would’ve been incredible. Tony at his most, reflective, but also most jaded. Nano tech, Wakanda tech, infinity stone technology, everything. And he’s walking around having in the official story won the avengers civil war. Then the Mandrin comes after him for the simple motivation of Tony claiming to have defeated the Mandrin (or something). And then he wins. An all out insane two chess masters against each other fight, level a city to ash. Make the pain of the avengers not being there clear, but also make Tony obviously the greatest earth hero by pulling some insane shit off. Have it end with a near draw or Iron Man looses. Then that Tony Stark goes into Infinity war with all that experience and preparation
Lower_Monk65772025-10-11 02:04
I honestly liked that the story revolved around Shang Chi and his family. It made it feel more high stakes and personal.
ChaoticCaptain1772025-10-11 06:35
Yeah I would've loved a fight between those two
TheMnwlkr2025-10-11 07:29
I had to read it thrice to realize that you were talking about Tony Stark, not Tony Leung. 😂
I was like, "What do you mean Tony facing him?"
jayteee272025-10-12 09:16
I wonder how would tony defeat wenwu with ten rings
Upbeat_Tension_80772025-10-11 00:52
I would've loved to see him face Tony, even though idk if he could handle him at full power
OkMention99882025-10-11 07:02
I was really hoping for Andy Lau. He's a fantastic actor.
TheMnwlkr2025-10-11 07:27
I get a feeling that they did go for a real Mandarin back then.
I think they first introduced the Ten Rings as a terrorist group in Iron Man simply as a reference.
Then they introduced Killian as Mandarin because of his hatred, to better incorporate the reference they used in the first movie.
And way after that, they created Wenwu, who is basically a spiritual variant of the Mandarin from the comic, and the Ten Rings (bracelets), because it's time for an Asian Marvel heroes.
And they just have to make up the whole backstory to make sense out of everything.
To be honest, if they will it, they could introduce a real real Mandarin now, with the real Ten Rings from the comic, and said that Wenwu was just an impostor who stole some of the alien technology he found from the space ship.
BigDaddyGreeds2025-10-11 00:21
Confusion and disappointment. The fake Mandarin had so much aura. I can appreciate a good twist but a twist to me needs to give you something as compelling as what you initially was led to believe if not more. The fake Mandarin would have been a fantastic twist if Aldridge was a great villain.
Golden-Ratio2025-10-11 01:05
This sums it up perfectly.
The plot twist was a downgrade.
kuahara2025-10-11 01:14
Couldn't agree more. The way they did it made me feel like Kingsley's talent was completely wasted. He didn't do a bad job, you just don't need Kingsley for what we got. It's like wearing a $5,000 suit to dinner at McDonald's.
Fake Mandarin was so menacing and brutal and the twist swapped him out for an incel with hurt feelings.
BigDaddyGreeds2025-10-11 01:25
I think if you're going to do a fake Mandarin twist you should get someone like Kingsley to really sell it. It wouldn't be as believable otherwise, but this is why the reveal needed to be super compelling because the lie worked so well
throwaway7983192025-10-11 02:14
Killian being so pathetic is part of what sold me in the movie. What type of person would be enough of a douche to create a Boogeyman like that? An insecure, self-absorbed, ethically bereft one
jamesbondswanson2025-10-11 00:21
Absolutely hated it. I saw it in theaters and it totally pulled me out of the all tension and drama that had been set up. Everything after felt empty and meaningless for the rest of the movie. Kingsley was making a genuinely terrifying and iconic performance. It would have been one of the coolest MCU villain performances had it actually been utilized to conclusion. I’m sure they thought they were cooking with this twist, but it felt so cheap. One of my most hated moments in the MCU.
lvsnowden2025-10-11 01:25
It definitely didn't help that all the marketing was showing Ben Kingsley as the Mandarin.
OkMention99882025-10-11 07:04
For once, the trailers didn't spoil everything.
N8CCRG2025-10-11 00:21
I loved it then and I still love it. Iron Man 3 is my least favorite of the three, but that part they stuck the landing.
Edit: Also, then we got Morris, who was instrumental in saving Earth from the Dweller-in-Darkness
justusleag2025-10-11 00:22
I really enjoyed Goofy Ben Kingsley, but I also felt Marvel dropped the ball with having another epic villain with Ben Kingsley.
februarystarshine2025-10-11 00:22
I thought it was brilliant.
OblivionArts2025-10-11 00:25
"eh..just glad they didnt go for the weird asian stereotype he was on the comics" and with the addition of shang-chi into the mcu it became " so i guess no comic rings that each do different stuff? Ah well.."
vteezy992025-10-11 00:25
At first I hated it. I almost walked out of the theater. It colored my opinion of IM 3 and early on it was one of my more hated MCU movies. However, I’ve warmed up to IM3, and now it’s one of my more loved movies.
I still hate the twist though
supesboots2025-10-11 00:30
I thought it was funny. I mostly wondered where all the Mandarin fans came from.
Wooden_Passage_26122025-10-11 00:30
Lou-Shelton-Pappy-002025-10-11 00:31
I liked the twist. It reminded me of Watchmen, in a way. “I’m not a Republic serial villain.”
But at the same time, it kind of lacked impact from the twist.
I would have preferred it if Tony finding the fake Mandarin would have been more of a setback; Killian should have scored a major victory while Tony went after the wrong guy.
TheMagicalMatt2025-10-11 00:32
I watched Shang Chi before I went back and did a full MCU viewing, so I had the luxury of finding this imposter hilarious after seeing the real "Mandarin" onscreen.
I can see how it would have been disappointing at the time, but I much prefer the version of the character we got in Shang Chi over what this version could have been.
Yeseylon2025-10-11 18:07
I had no idea who The Mandarin was before Iron Man 3, so I also had the luxury of finding the imposter hilarious. (I also would've regardless, I'm not allergic to writers doing something new with a character like most online fans seem to be.)
abysmallybored2025-10-11 00:34
Ghost_Ghost_Ghost2025-10-11 00:36
The idea was cool, but for me, it was just the way it happened. The immediate tonal shift from a brilliant, cold villain to a goofy British actor kinda killed the effect.
RestlessCreator2025-10-11 00:37
It is, single handedly, one of the greatest twists MCU has ever had. It doesn't catch up to Homecoming by any means, but it dispels the racist orientalist trope of The Mandarin (with some heavy lifting by Shang-Chi) and provides an incredible comedic performance by Kingsley where he still gets to have his super intimidating moments early in the film. While Iron Man 3 has its flaws, this is not one of them at all, imo.
Superb_Juggernaut8212025-10-11 00:38
I did not like it at all. Iron Man 3 is only saved from being my least favorite MCU movie very slightly by Thor: The Dark World. I will say though that Ben Kingsley coming back as his character for Shang Chi made the whole thing a little more tolerable as much as I didn't like the twist it was never because of his performance. That was always fantastic.
ChosenmanSDK2025-10-11 00:39
"My name is Trevor. Trevor Slattery. I am an Act-tor."
To be honest, at the time I thought it was a waste of the character but that was corrected with Shang-chi. In subsequent rewatches and further appearances I just like Ben Kingsley and what he and the writers have done with the character. Even right after IM3 in All Hail the King he's been great.
ericwasright822025-10-11 00:40
I hated it, but as the scene progressed Ben Kingsley won me over.
Bringing back Ben Kingsley is honestly one of the best decisions they’ve made. That character is brilliant
FewWatermelonlesson02025-10-11 00:40
Brilliant commentary on American foreign policy. Inventing a scary foreign boogeyman to distract from the true villains being capitalist war profiteers.
Most of the people crying about the real Mandarin probably can’t tell you much about him because they get a lot of their views from social media and YouTube.
BravoLeader30002025-10-11 00:57
💯
Ronenthelich2025-10-11 01:10
If it helps explain things, these days they’d call the mandarin twist “woke” because they want to see Iron Man fight an Asian stereotype.
throwaway7983192025-10-11 02:10
Yes! I thought exactly the same thing when I saw it in theatres.
Shantotto112025-10-11 02:30
As someone who was introduced to the Mandarin via the movie *The Invincible Iron Man* and the cartoon *Iron Man: Armored Adventures* and also didn’t like the twist in *Iron Man 3*, could you not?…
armageddonquilt2025-10-11 14:47
I feel like a lot of people miss that literally all three Iron Man films are about an American war profiteer capitalist using a stereotypical foreign threat as their cover and/or secretly funding and arming them. Stane had Reza and his terrorist group, Hammer had Vanko (even if Vanko did end up crossing him and becoming the main villain in the end), and Killian hid behind the Mandarin persona he created.
Uncanny_Doom2025-10-11 00:40
I thought it was very clever especially considering that it reflects a very real-world possibility of someone manipulating the public to create a villain that isn't actually there.
The issue in my opinion is that the rework of the script that made Maya no longer the villain didn't really tie Killian into being the real villain greatly, even though Guy Ritchie did a very good job in the role. I think the story is far more interesting if you have Killian as a fall guy subversion with Maya as the real villain and lean into that.
merlin482025-10-11 00:44
It's the only good thing from Iron Man 3.
Vengeance_202025-10-11 00:45
I hated it, I was so mad, I was excited because I thought we would some “magic” fight against Iron Man
WayneEastwood3162025-10-11 00:46
I went to watch IM3 with a friend who wasn't much a fan of comic films but was down to watch it with me. I hated this twist because I was hyped for the Mandirin (I was disappointed again with Shang Chi's version too) but my friend saw this from a political standpoint (Mandarin basically being a puppet) and loved the twist.
Crotean2025-10-11 00:49
Thought it was great. The problem is Killian sucked
lfr22025-10-11 00:50
I hated it at first but when he came back for Shang-Chi he was absolutely my favorite part of the movie so I ended up loving it!!
mcon962025-10-11 00:50
Slattery is a fun character but it felt like a cheap rug-pull, made worse by the fact that Killian is one of the worst MCU villains yet. I think there’s a version of the movie where this fakeout could’ve worked, but this wasn’t it.
Joshawott272025-10-11 00:50
I honestly thought it was really clever. The Mandarin would have arguably been problematic to depict as-is, so Marvel Studios weaponised that as commentary on America’s fear-mongering of the Middle East.
Sir Ben Kingsley also sold it really well with his ability to just switch between the personas at the click of a finger. His performance in this film is seriously underrated.
ackyou2025-10-11 01:31
I’m with you, I loved it. And I love Trevor
Lower_Monk65772025-10-11 02:03
Same here. I didn’t have any expectations going into the movie, so it caught me completely by surprise. I thought it was both funny, and a good example of subverting expectations.
Honestly, I thought it was the best part of IM3.
repooc212025-10-11 00:51
Anger
mitvh23112025-10-11 00:54
Made me hate the movie even more than I already was. If the movie was better I would have enjoyed it a lot more
one_pound_of_flesh2025-10-11 00:54
Most people agree it was disappointing and a waste of a great actor. Just a garbage choice.
Spicy_Weissy2025-10-11 00:54
It was fine. Just that Killian's whole deal was so bland and boring and forgettable.
BravoLeader30002025-10-11 00:56
I thought it was a terrific take! I'm 100% behind it.
DarthDregan2025-10-11 00:56
I kind of wanted a lot more of Mandarin and less Trevor.
But I still like Trevor.
Live_Answer_38752025-10-11 01:02
Despised it and hated the movie when it first came out
ConnorRoseSaiyan012025-10-11 01:03
Meh
-NinjaTurtleHermit-2025-10-11 01:04
I didn't dislike the twist itself. I thought it made sense and was pretty realistic.
What I hated was that Slattery was an absolute moron. Hail to the King and Shang-Chi helped me warm up to the idea, but I thought it was really dumb. He can be a pawn in someone else's plan and still be a competent pawn. I've never hated "Marvel humor" as much as I did watching his post-reveal scenes in Iron Man 3. "I didn't know anybody had been hurt..." FOH with that shit.
nobody_smart2025-10-11 01:06
I neverrrr saw it coming.
BuddhistChrist2025-10-11 01:10
Sloppy
Repulsive-Fuel-52812025-10-11 01:11
I was 100% fine because I know nothing about the comic books. I have a nerd friend who was and still is irate about it. To me it was just a really funny Ben Kingsley performance... I still really enjoy that movie, especially around Christmas.
MajesticTesticles2025-10-11 01:13
I loved it. I always like to see new things that i havent already seen a 1000 times before and it was awesome. I liked ironman 3 the most by far out of thr trilogy.
Xyro772025-10-11 01:13
It single handedly ruined the film for me.
eltrotter2025-10-11 01:13
I still think it’s a great twist. It’s *genuinely* surprising, very funny and completely thematically appropriate to the story. In a film where the hero needs to learn that he is more than the mask / suit he wears, having a villain who is *less* is a smart decision.
cooscoos32025-10-11 01:18
It was spoiled for me before I saw the movie and I wasn’t too happy with the idea. But then I saw the movie and was happy with the result. I thought it worked well and is a good movie.
HwaaaaaPanda952025-10-11 01:18
First time watching: I lost interest and just let it play in the background while I do other stuff.
Now: Well...at least they did something about it in Shang Chi.
Gumichi2025-10-11 01:19
The layer where he goes into a version of RDJs own backstory was amazing
Wataru20012025-10-11 01:19
Loved it. Frigging hilarious. And I've always found the original comic design of him highly offensive, so I thought this was a great way to do it. And THEN they put him in Shang-Chi. Brilliant.
GeoMFilms2025-10-11 01:20
I remember being to annoyed by the twist. The movie showed this guy to be such a big threat. I was anticipating what's gonna happen when ironman fights him. I didnt know what to think but the mandarin was such a threat before the reveal. It felt like a let down.
SgtWilko19792025-10-11 01:26
Initially I hated it... it felt like such a bait & switch. On rewatches I love it, especially since the "real" Mandarin reveal of Shang Chi
Milo_Minderbinding2025-10-11 01:28
I laughed.
Ausecurity2025-10-11 01:28
Disappointment tbh
Cavewoman222025-10-11 01:29
My tolerance for humor over a good story was pretty high back then.
-Words-Words-Words-2025-10-11 01:29
I thought it was hilarious.
rootException2025-10-11 01:31
It would have made a perfectly fine twist for a mid-season episode on a TV show. Unfortunately, waiting so long between MCU "episodes" + paying in a movie theater means you want A game material, and it kind of didn't work for that. Waiting and seeing something in a movie theater, you kind of want it be awesome. Felt more like a joke, esp given how mid Killian was as a character.
Today I really like Tony struggling with panic attacks, although they just sort of... go away? There are other aspects I like, like hopping back in forth in time to show how much Tony has changed. Getting to see Tony and the kid interact.
It's a solid B+ overall and really fits in with the MCU as a episode running from Iron Man through Endgame nicely.
Mandalorian_Invictus2025-10-11 01:32
Denial until Aldrich Killian announces that he's the Mandarin in the 3rd act,at which point acceptance and disappointment struck.
LeoLaDawg2025-10-11 01:32
Lame
Odd-Sound-5802025-10-11 01:32
i don't remember, i was 9
D20_Buster2025-10-11 01:32
Went from problematic character to hilarious play on the issue.
DirK-SaXon2025-10-11 01:34
Didn't hate it but I didn't exactly like it. I like it now that I know where the overall MCU goes though.
MusicLikeOxygen2025-10-11 01:36
I thought it was hilarious and seeing how many people got butthurt over it made it even funnier.
gmasterson2025-10-11 01:36
I liked it. It was entertaining.
That’s about it.
danielo132025-10-11 01:38
I liked the twist because i never liked the mandarin.
tLM-tRRS-atBHB2025-10-11 01:39
Absolutely infuriating beyond belief, and it's still one of the things I hate most about the MCU (along with Hulks mistreatment in Engame)
But his role in ShangChi qas really funny
BQws_22025-10-11 01:40
My literal reaction in theaters: “Bruh…”
I wasn’t mad about it though. Just the fact that it was a theater actor made me feel like they caught me in a “gotcha” moment
Penguinunhinged2025-10-11 01:41
"And then there was the drugs."
" What, they promised to get you off of them?"
"They promised to get me more!"
Funniest conversation piece in the film right there, lol.
RJSA20002025-10-11 01:42
I thought it was hilarious. Was a nice twist at the time that I didn't see coming.
RookieDuckMan2025-10-11 01:56
I liked it
Wayfarer1632025-10-11 01:57
Hrothgar_unbound2025-10-11 01:58
I thought it was a copout and rather annoying.
Kelseycutieee2025-10-11 02:01
I thought his videos talking about how he’s going to destroy america were well done and genuinely terrifying if you were living in that world.
Especially him calling out the president of the US.
TimelyBlacksmith922025-10-11 02:02
I liked it
ScarletSpiderForever2025-10-11 02:03
Disappointed when I first watched the movie, but years later, I’ve come to love it. Brilliant commentary.
Alleggsander2025-10-11 02:08
Was kinda ‘ehh’ on first watch, but I don’t mind it at all these days. Kind of like it, even. Once you realize that half of the people complaining about the Mandarin twist had zero clue who Mandarin was before watching this movie, it sheds some light on how manufactured a lot of the negativity was towards IM3.
The movie as a whole is pretty underrated/over-hated. Not amazing by any means, and Killian is kinda lame, but pretty good with some great moments.
raymondg19022025-10-11 02:08
Confused, took me a couple minutes to work out wtf was going on and it took me out of the film and I found it hard to get back in to it.
I wasn’t a fan as I felt it was a bit silly but kind of respected it in a way that I’d never have guessed that outcome with a million guesses.
WhatTheFreightTruck2025-10-11 02:17
I hated it at the time. A lot. But it has really grown on me with rewatches.
Skibot992025-10-11 02:21
Found it funny but I had never read the comics
TheAgmis2025-10-11 02:22
That movie put me to sleep.
austin_slater2025-10-11 02:22
I thought it was fine. I don’t read the comics so it’s not like I was disappointed. It was actually a decent twist.
That being said, the real Mandarin does look very cool.
bloodyell762025-10-11 02:24
I liked it a lot. To me the argument that Ben Kingsley was "wasted" by having him not only be a scenery chewing villain but also a second role is odd.
But I agree that Killian was a weak villain, and would love to see the version of the film that had Maya Hansen as the real villain- I suspect it would have been better, if only because I find myself disagreeing with Ike Perlman on basically everything, so knowing the switch to Killian was his call makes me certain we have a better film that was screwed with by a rich idiot.
Monstarrzero2025-10-11 02:27
It was lame AF
dontheconqueror2025-10-11 02:27
A true WTF moment for me, in a good way. I was confused as Tony was.
*I'm an ak-tohr.*
butt3ryt0ast2025-10-11 02:53
I wasn’t familiar with the mandarin yet because I was still newish to comics. But I still felt like it was lazy. I didn’t like it. Now that I actually know who the mandarin is, I went from being upset we don’t have a live action version of one of iron man’s best foes, to kinda liking it because I don’t see how they’re gonna do a foo man chu-like villain without being kinda racist or accused of being racist. Also kinda like that Trevor is still around according to the new wonder man teaser.
The worst part of the whole movie was Pepper’s powers never really being addressed again…and why couldn’t the president use the armor? Is it bio locked? Then how did Rhodes get into the mark 2? Was bio verification lock a thing that was added to the new suit? Ok sure maybe Tony’s, but a government build? Why would they lock a dope ass weapon to only work for one person?
Anyway, Trevor’s cool
AuntThony2025-10-11 02:57
Didact672025-10-11 03:06
At least we sorta got the Mandarin in Shang-Chi.
AmaterasuWolf212025-10-11 03:57
As a kid with no comic knowledge, I found it cheap and boring
Monkeywrench082025-10-11 03:58
I kind of hate it
MysteriousEssay57092025-10-11 04:14
I wanted to leave the theater and take a crap on the lobby floor.
Q_S22025-10-11 04:24
That shit pissed me off. Inwas expecting badassery thru and thru.
Mark_Kostecki2025-10-11 05:04
First time I was ever like severely let down in a movie theater
ImpossibleMix66982025-10-11 05:41
Fuck
but the real Mandarin in Ten Rings was excellent
scrotanimus2025-10-11 05:49
I hated it. I was looking forward to a proper Mandarin. It felt cheap.
Cubanitto2025-10-11 05:58
Another stupid story by Marvel.
Famous_Construction52025-10-11 06:17
ChaoticCaptain1772025-10-11 06:36
So back when I saw the movie as a kid I didn't think much of it because I didn't know who the mandarin was in the comics. But now with my improved knowledge I thought the twist was underwhelming
OkMention99882025-10-11 06:58
Irritation.
xdrkcldx2025-10-11 08:08
I literally walked out
Possible-Tip-29142025-10-11 08:28
Fucking weak
ZealousidealMatch2442025-10-11 08:36
Didn't like Killian but I'm glad he wasn't real Mandarin because I always despised the idea that to stop racism they casted a half white guy to play a middle eastern terrorist instead of a Chinese person for someone called Mandarin. Like why did he even get called Mandarin? He liked fruit? He was a weeb for the Chinese culture? It made no sense and the real Mandarin Wenwu called it out in Shang chi. It's a from we havent gotten what if Ironan met the real ten rings but we got Hela and Wenwu instead etc. Shang chi came out way too late honestly. I miss Wenwu
azam852025-10-11 09:15
Hated it and i hated how they handled Mandarin in Shangchi.
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It's the same reason we didn't get a Black Widow movie until after she died, and why Black Panther faced so much internal pushback.
Ya know what doesn't sell any toys? Shitty movies.
Did they think a girl villian would stop them from selling iron man toys?
I *liked* the Mandarin they were setting up in the first half. I thought he was super charismatic and oddly grounded in ways that harkened back to the first film. I was looking forward to Tony finding a way to defeat a foe who didn't rely on brute strength or superpowers, yet still held his own. It was honestly a letdown when it was revealed to be totally fake.
But after Shang-Chi, I’m kinda glad they didn’t went for a “real” Mandarin back then. Wenwu is the goat and to me, the definitive version of the character.
I was like, "What do you mean Tony facing him?"
I think they first introduced the Ten Rings as a terrorist group in Iron Man simply as a reference.
Then they introduced Killian as Mandarin because of his hatred, to better incorporate the reference they used in the first movie.
And way after that, they created Wenwu, who is basically a spiritual variant of the Mandarin from the comic, and the Ten Rings (bracelets), because it's time for an Asian Marvel heroes.
And they just have to make up the whole backstory to make sense out of everything.
To be honest, if they will it, they could introduce a real real Mandarin now, with the real Ten Rings from the comic, and said that Wenwu was just an impostor who stole some of the alien technology he found from the space ship.
The plot twist was a downgrade.
Fake Mandarin was so menacing and brutal and the twist swapped him out for an incel with hurt feelings.
Edit: Also, then we got Morris, who was instrumental in saving Earth from the Dweller-in-Darkness
I still hate the twist though
But at the same time, it kind of lacked impact from the twist.
I would have preferred it if Tony finding the fake Mandarin would have been more of a setback; Killian should have scored a major victory while Tony went after the wrong guy.
I can see how it would have been disappointing at the time, but I much prefer the version of the character we got in Shang Chi over what this version could have been.
To be honest, at the time I thought it was a waste of the character but that was corrected with Shang-chi. In subsequent rewatches and further appearances I just like Ben Kingsley and what he and the writers have done with the character. Even right after IM3 in All Hail the King he's been great.
Bringing back Ben Kingsley is honestly one of the best decisions they’ve made. That character is brilliant
Most of the people crying about the real Mandarin probably can’t tell you much about him because they get a lot of their views from social media and YouTube.
The issue in my opinion is that the rework of the script that made Maya no longer the villain didn't really tie Killian into being the real villain greatly, even though Guy Ritchie did a very good job in the role. I think the story is far more interesting if you have Killian as a fall guy subversion with Maya as the real villain and lean into that.
Sir Ben Kingsley also sold it really well with his ability to just switch between the personas at the click of a finger. His performance in this film is seriously underrated.
Honestly, I thought it was the best part of IM3.
But I still like Trevor.
What I hated was that Slattery was an absolute moron. Hail to the King and Shang-Chi helped me warm up to the idea, but I thought it was really dumb. He can be a pawn in someone else's plan and still be a competent pawn. I've never hated "Marvel humor" as much as I did watching his post-reveal scenes in Iron Man 3. "I didn't know anybody had been hurt..." FOH with that shit.
Now: Well...at least they did something about it in Shang Chi.
Today I really like Tony struggling with panic attacks, although they just sort of... go away? There are other aspects I like, like hopping back in forth in time to show how much Tony has changed. Getting to see Tony and the kid interact.
It's a solid B+ overall and really fits in with the MCU as a episode running from Iron Man through Endgame nicely.
That’s about it.
But his role in ShangChi qas really funny
I wasn’t mad about it though. Just the fact that it was a theater actor made me feel like they caught me in a “gotcha” moment
" What, they promised to get you off of them?"
"They promised to get me more!"
Funniest conversation piece in the film right there, lol.
Especially him calling out the president of the US.
The movie as a whole is pretty underrated/over-hated. Not amazing by any means, and Killian is kinda lame, but pretty good with some great moments.
I wasn’t a fan as I felt it was a bit silly but kind of respected it in a way that I’d never have guessed that outcome with a million guesses.
That being said, the real Mandarin does look very cool.
But I agree that Killian was a weak villain, and would love to see the version of the film that had Maya Hansen as the real villain- I suspect it would have been better, if only because I find myself disagreeing with Ike Perlman on basically everything, so knowing the switch to Killian was his call makes me certain we have a better film that was screwed with by a rich idiot.
*I'm an ak-tohr.*
The worst part of the whole movie was Pepper’s powers never really being addressed again…and why couldn’t the president use the armor? Is it bio locked? Then how did Rhodes get into the mark 2? Was bio verification lock a thing that was added to the new suit? Ok sure maybe Tony’s, but a government build? Why would they lock a dope ass weapon to only work for one person?
Anyway, Trevor’s cool
but the real Mandarin in Ten Rings was excellent